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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2207&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Monte&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

That&#039;s just it, though, Monte. There IS no legal recourse. This is a society that condones abuse, pure and simple, and that&#039;s why this site exists. 

My abuser&#039;s psychiatrist (who was also my psychiatrist) advised me to cut off all contact with my abuser. I tried, but this eventually meant also cutting off all contact with our mutual relatives, because they absolutely refused to understand it wasn&#039;t a tiff, it wasn&#039;t something that needed to be talked through, that our relative was simply an abusive asshole in private and a nice person only in public. So the onus is on the abused to cut people off. And some of those people have made it clear they assume *I* am the asshole, the ungrateful bitch, whatever. I&#039;ve had to harden myself to that, get over missing them, get over how hurtful their willful ignorance was. It&#039;s all been my problem, and my abuser? Still abusing people I care about, and expecting to get away with it.

The only thing you can do is go public. That&#039;s what Hilary Adams did, and because she had video, more people believed her than blamed her for her own abuse. (Read more at my other site: http://thehathorlegacy.com/hillary-adams-child-abuse-on-film/). That opens up another legal can of worms, because there are conditions under which abusers can sue you for defamation even when you are telling the truth. Some states/nations put the burden on you to prove you were telling the truth, and how many of us have concrete evidence of what happened to us? Especially emotional abuse, which isn&#039;t always obvious, even on film. Other states/nations put the burden on the plaintiff to prove you were lying. The US used to not even care if it was true - if the abuser lost money, then you were a bad person and owed them money FOR TELLING THE TRUTH.

That&#039;s why it&#039;s also not enough just to criticize our abusers. This society collaborates with and shelters abusers because, I dunno - people have some fucked up ideas about bully power equaling strength of character? Whatever it is they think, it&#039;s wrong, and it needs to change. Once it stops being socially acceptable to harm your family as long as you treat important people like your boss real nice, then some of the abuse will stop (because many abusers crave social approval, and will curtail their desired behavior to get it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-2207" rel="nofollow">Monte</a></strong>, </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just it, though, Monte. There IS no legal recourse. This is a society that condones abuse, pure and simple, and that&#8217;s why this site exists. </p>
<p>My abuser&#8217;s psychiatrist (who was also my psychiatrist) advised me to cut off all contact with my abuser. I tried, but this eventually meant also cutting off all contact with our mutual relatives, because they absolutely refused to understand it wasn&#8217;t a tiff, it wasn&#8217;t something that needed to be talked through, that our relative was simply an abusive asshole in private and a nice person only in public. So the onus is on the abused to cut people off. And some of those people have made it clear they assume *I* am the asshole, the ungrateful bitch, whatever. I&#8217;ve had to harden myself to that, get over missing them, get over how hurtful their willful ignorance was. It&#8217;s all been my problem, and my abuser? Still abusing people I care about, and expecting to get away with it.</p>
<p>The only thing you can do is go public. That&#8217;s what Hilary Adams did, and because she had video, more people believed her than blamed her for her own abuse. (Read more at my other site: <a href="http://thehathorlegacy.com/hillary-adams-child-abuse-on-film/" rel="nofollow">http://thehathorlegacy.com/hillary-adams-child-abuse-on-film/</a>). That opens up another legal can of worms, because there are conditions under which abusers can sue you for defamation even when you are telling the truth. Some states/nations put the burden on you to prove you were telling the truth, and how many of us have concrete evidence of what happened to us? Especially emotional abuse, which isn&#8217;t always obvious, even on film. Other states/nations put the burden on the plaintiff to prove you were lying. The US used to not even care if it was true &#8211; if the abuser lost money, then you were a bad person and owed them money FOR TELLING THE TRUTH.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s also not enough just to criticize our abusers. This society collaborates with and shelters abusers because, I dunno &#8211; people have some fucked up ideas about bully power equaling strength of character? Whatever it is they think, it&#8217;s wrong, and it needs to change. Once it stops being socially acceptable to harm your family as long as you treat important people like your boss real nice, then some of the abuse will stop (because many abusers crave social approval, and will curtail their desired behavior to get it).</p>
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		<title>By: Monte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know how victims of Psyche-Abuse are supposed to fight back against the perpetrators?  The victims are generally held in a perpetual state of powerlessness by their families I suspect (based upon imbalance of power within birth families.  When victims are children, they are stuck with their dysfunctional families, but if they survive childhood into adulthood, then what?  Their MUST be an legal avenue for justice to be instilled on the victims behalf, otherwise, the law says, throw caution to the wind.  What else, take up arms?

Victims should really join forces, but most victims just quietly keep the psyche damages bottled up, so they can continue to function in this world.  We all know that once we open that bitter bottle again, once it&#039;s been sealed (like a bottle of Coke with a Mentos Mint in it that has been shaken by abuse), everything and then some flows passionately out, included with it, much anger at being victimized, and still held powerless to seek justice.  And &#039;anger&#039; is easily misunderstood too, especially by outsiders, or Couch Coaches (those that like to give shallow responses to write-off or belittle the ugly truth of the matter from a safe distance away).

From Wikipedia:  Psychological abuse, also referred to as emotional abuse or mental abuse, is a form of abuse characterized by a person subjecting or exposing another to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder.

I believe too the Wikipedia definition should be expanded to include a more expanded list of ailments and long term Neurological damage that victims suffer from scapegoat-ism, isolation, alienation, self blame, self loathing and I could think of other inclusions for that page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know how victims of Psyche-Abuse are supposed to fight back against the perpetrators?  The victims are generally held in a perpetual state of powerlessness by their families I suspect (based upon imbalance of power within birth families.  When victims are children, they are stuck with their dysfunctional families, but if they survive childhood into adulthood, then what?  Their MUST be an legal avenue for justice to be instilled on the victims behalf, otherwise, the law says, throw caution to the wind.  What else, take up arms?</p>
<p>Victims should really join forces, but most victims just quietly keep the psyche damages bottled up, so they can continue to function in this world.  We all know that once we open that bitter bottle again, once it&#8217;s been sealed (like a bottle of Coke with a Mentos Mint in it that has been shaken by abuse), everything and then some flows passionately out, included with it, much anger at being victimized, and still held powerless to seek justice.  And &#8216;anger&#8217; is easily misunderstood too, especially by outsiders, or Couch Coaches (those that like to give shallow responses to write-off or belittle the ugly truth of the matter from a safe distance away).</p>
<p>From Wikipedia:  Psychological abuse, also referred to as emotional abuse or mental abuse, is a form of abuse characterized by a person subjecting or exposing another to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder.</p>
<p>I believe too the Wikipedia definition should be expanded to include a more expanded list of ailments and long term Neurological damage that victims suffer from scapegoat-ism, isolation, alienation, self blame, self loathing and I could think of other inclusions for that page.</p>
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		<title>By: Monte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your expressions on all forms of true abuse struck a chord with me (as a fellow Psychological Abuse victim).  I admire your articulation, and your passion (supported by truth), with much of of it reflecting my very own thoughts and feelings.  Could you imagine my surprise as I was researching Emotional Abuse on the net, finding your Thread and reading your articles which contained thoughts, words and experiences that I felt were unique to me, but obviously I&#039;m not alone.  I wanted to simply thank you for putting your suffering into words for others to learn from, or for others to relate to, or find strength in.  Any form of abuse, be it Psychological or Physical, hemorrhages everlasting inner pain, for the victims to endure.  Life&#039;s luggage is brutally heavy, and the system for support is really broken for victims who seek help, amends and justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your expressions on all forms of true abuse struck a chord with me (as a fellow Psychological Abuse victim).  I admire your articulation, and your passion (supported by truth), with much of of it reflecting my very own thoughts and feelings.  Could you imagine my surprise as I was researching Emotional Abuse on the net, finding your Thread and reading your articles which contained thoughts, words and experiences that I felt were unique to me, but obviously I&#8217;m not alone.  I wanted to simply thank you for putting your suffering into words for others to learn from, or for others to relate to, or find strength in.  Any form of abuse, be it Psychological or Physical, hemorrhages everlasting inner pain, for the victims to endure.  Life&#8217;s luggage is brutally heavy, and the system for support is really broken for victims who seek help, amends and justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
		<link>http://whatprivilege.com/abused-kids-cant-really-sue-their-parents/comment-page-1/#comment-2204</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2203&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Monte&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

I agree that we all need some kind of closure, but I don&#039;t think reparation is the only way to get it. If it was, closure would be virtually hopeless, and we might as well just kill ourselves.

That said, I&#039;ll leave some jaws wide open by spouting this practical truth: real closure comes when they&#039;re dead. I&#039;m not wishing anyone dead or advocating killing anybody, but the sad fact is: people who can abuse their kids without being sorry about it don&#039;t change. If you have a parent who just won&#039;t let go, even though you&#039;ve cut off all contact and tried to keep them from knowing where you live (which means you can&#039;t ever make a name for yourself in your profession, either!), and they just keep tracking you down and trying to abuse you from afar, then you know this will be your lot in life until they are dead. Even if, like me, you have a lot of legal options for making them wish they&#039;d never bothered you, there&#039;s just never any assurance the harassment will end once and for all until THEY end, once and for all. Because they don&#039;t ever learn that they were wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-2203" rel="nofollow">Monte</a></strong>, </p>
<p>I agree that we all need some kind of closure, but I don&#8217;t think reparation is the only way to get it. If it was, closure would be virtually hopeless, and we might as well just kill ourselves.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ll leave some jaws wide open by spouting this practical truth: real closure comes when they&#8217;re dead. I&#8217;m not wishing anyone dead or advocating killing anybody, but the sad fact is: people who can abuse their kids without being sorry about it don&#8217;t change. If you have a parent who just won&#8217;t let go, even though you&#8217;ve cut off all contact and tried to keep them from knowing where you live (which means you can&#8217;t ever make a name for yourself in your profession, either!), and they just keep tracking you down and trying to abuse you from afar, then you know this will be your lot in life until they are dead. Even if, like me, you have a lot of legal options for making them wish they&#8217;d never bothered you, there&#8217;s just never any assurance the harassment will end once and for all until THEY end, once and for all. Because they don&#8217;t ever learn that they were wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Monte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this thread now.  I don&#039;t think any of us are true survivors of parental mental abuse unless somehow the parent(s) who are guilty are made to pay amends or reparations.  Only after, can the painful luggage be put away forever.  Otherwise, it&#039;s pack it right back up and stuff it back into your soul.  Can an Adult Child sue a parent in Canada for mental abuse?  What about if one parent admits their guilt publicly?  Does it have to be an expensive process for me to seek reparations?  Is reparations from a wealthy family a pipe dream for me?  My own father just admitted to me this past Christmas that he himself had wondered if he is in fact my biological father.  Imagine your Father saying that to you.  Even at 47 years old, these people are absolutely torturing my soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this thread now.  I don&#8217;t think any of us are true survivors of parental mental abuse unless somehow the parent(s) who are guilty are made to pay amends or reparations.  Only after, can the painful luggage be put away forever.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s pack it right back up and stuff it back into your soul.  Can an Adult Child sue a parent in Canada for mental abuse?  What about if one parent admits their guilt publicly?  Does it have to be an expensive process for me to seek reparations?  Is reparations from a wealthy family a pipe dream for me?  My own father just admitted to me this past Christmas that he himself had wondered if he is in fact my biological father.  Imagine your Father saying that to you.  Even at 47 years old, these people are absolutely torturing my soul.</p>
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		<title>By: maggiemay</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggiemay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>consumed--thats an interesting way 2 look @it---i kinda felt more like they were putting me on display---U kno, trying 2 mold &amp; shape me against my natural grain so that others would think they were &quot;good&quot; parents--4 the most part they were, but every now &amp; then they&#039;d slip N2 this &quot;what will the neighbors think&quot; bullshit---or they would wonder Y my taste in music or clothes wasn t under their control--that sort of thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>consumed&#8211;thats an interesting way 2 look @it&#8212;i kinda felt more like they were putting me on display&#8212;U kno, trying 2 mold &amp; shape me against my natural grain so that others would think they were &#8220;good&#8221; parents&#8211;4 the most part they were, but every now &amp; then they&#8217;d slip N2 this &#8220;what will the neighbors think&#8221; bullshit&#8212;or they would wonder Y my taste in music or clothes wasn t under their control&#8211;that sort of thing</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 05:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - I think the concept of &quot;ownership&quot; is very toxic in general, and not just in homes. Parents are meant to be more like stewards, guiding their children through the process of growing up, not treating their children like something to be consumed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; I think the concept of &#8220;ownership&#8221; is very toxic in general, and not just in homes. Parents are meant to be more like stewards, guiding their children through the process of growing up, not treating their children like something to be consumed.</p>
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		<title>By: maggiemay</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggiemay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know i&#039;m a latecomer to this post, but this is so important i had to say something--i dont know much about the particulars of family law, but i do know that in america we have this generalized cultural notion that parents own their children--this idea reared its ugly head even in my home, and my parents were basically decent folks---but toxic ideas can produce bad fruit even in good ppl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know i&#8217;m a latecomer to this post, but this is so important i had to say something&#8211;i dont know much about the particulars of family law, but i do know that in america we have this generalized cultural notion that parents own their children&#8211;this idea reared its ugly head even in my home, and my parents were basically decent folks&#8212;but toxic ideas can produce bad fruit even in good ppl</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2152&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patrick&#032;scrivano&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

Like Cinnabar I would also like to say I am glad you are doing well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-2152" rel="nofollow">patrick&#032;scrivano</a></strong>, </p>
<p>Like Cinnabar I would also like to say I am glad you are doing well!</p>
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		<title>By: Cinnabar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinnabar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2152&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patrick&#032;scrivano&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

I&#039;d just like to chime in to say that Patrick, it&#039;s great to hear that things are going better for you now! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-2152" rel="nofollow">patrick&#032;scrivano</a></strong>, </p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to chime in to say that Patrick, it&#8217;s great to hear that things are going better for you now! <img src='http://whatprivilege.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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