I just got into a fight with my brother over this very same issue.

He doesn’t seem to get that hyperbole and ad hominem arguments don’t counter the realities of the daily situations that plague many people in our own communities.

I hear the same old garbage, from him, from the religious right and from people who just don’t get it.

I was extremely disheartened until I randomly stumbled on this page. It made my day.

Thank you for showing me there are people in this world who do get it, and that care enough to fight for it.

You mention ONE disabled person whom you know that was lucky to get a job. But there’s something missing from the equation. Did he luck out because of someone he knew, or perhaps because of having a casseworker that actually cared and helped with job placement? Does he live in a middle to upper-middle class neighborhood?
What you fail to realize is that our social networks (who we know), which are defined by our social class, make a huge difference in getting an opportunity. And money determines social class.

In the meantime, how are the other disabled jobseekers without any income supposed to live? What about disabled job seekers who are also middle-aged with a significant work history gap AND poor credit ( a result of being poor in the first place), AND who live in inner-city ghettos?

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, it’s fair to say exactly how the privileged classes expect the “have-nots” to live – able bodied or not.

While your occasional token disabled person lucks out in landing a job, many other people whether they are able-bodied or not, do not because no one wants to hire them and give them a chance. Especially not in a Serengeti job market where job seekers far outnumber jobs and employers can have their pick – for a song.

Health problems, class problems, race problems… sure, if you only have one of them, it’s far from insurmountable. Even if you have several of them it CAN be done… but it won’t always. Because someone MUST be on the bottom. Period. There is no alternative in the societal structure we’ve set up.

Now, abuse is a factor you’re completely leaving out. It doesn’t sound like you had a twisted parent who actively tried to keep you from succeeding. If you had, your story would be different. It doesn’t sound like you had teachers who intentionally gave you lesser grades than you’d earned because they didn’t like your skin color or whatever.

When the gatekeepers are against you, it doesn’t matter that you’ve got the key. It doesn’t matter that you did all the work to get the key and now you’ve brought it to them. That’s the societal structure we’ve set up.

Betacandy: Misguided, perhaps, but if I thought you were just stupid, I wouldn’t have bothered to comment. Obviously your thinking critically about the way the world is set up.

I wasn’t claiming I had the saddest sob story in the world. Nor was I claiming that it is just as easy for the poor to succeed. Obviously that can be attributed to racism, classism, and several other sentiments that I don’t deny exist in our country. Of course luck may be an element. Although pure chance is just as likely to favor the poor as the rich when a 50/50 chance is presented, less 50/50 opportunities are presented to the poor, overall, so they are disadvantaged even by that. So yes, it is more difficult, but I wouldn’t call the odds insurmountable.

And I agree with Jacqueline that disabled people and those who can’t read have it hardest of all. To overcome something like that takes great courage and much hard work, and is probably beyond some individuals. But it is possible (Google search “project read adult literacy”). I admit it is very difficult to achieve full literacy as an adult, it is like learning a new language as an adult. The solution is, of course, to teach literacy as soon as possible, which is my career goal: to open private schools in poor communities that will not turn away students because of a family’s inability to pay. I want to start in the US, but eventually want to branch out to countries that don’t have a public education system.

And as for the disabled, they may not be able to get the first job they apply for, because they are disabled. Which is a sad state of affairs, but a fact of todays world. But it is possible for them to eventually get a job. I mentor with a mentally retarded adult in my community who has a full time job, on top of getting aid from the gov’t. My neighbor, paralyzed from the waist down, has a job. I’ll give you full paralysis. It would be impossible, applying for jobs as a Quadriplegic.

So I’m admitting that chance is a factor (though I don’t agree that chance favors the rich except for in the increased number of opportunities rich people have to express that chance), Admitting that family connections are a factor, that who you know through school and what school you went to and what clothes you wear to an interview are all factors in how easy or ridiculously difficult it is for a person to rise in our society. As I did in my first post. But you disagreed, strongly with my first post, so I am left to assume that you believe in a stronger sorting factor, something beyond choice and chance.

If you really believe lower classes can’t achieve success under their own power, I am left to guess that you must believe in determinism. Determinism is essentially the same, whether it be religious (Hinduism, some Christianity), genetic (Eugenisists), physical (Einsteinian physics), economic (Marxism), or based on a variety of factors (Betacandy?); in that it stems from the belief that everyone is on a set track towards success or failure regardless of their choices. Essentially, there is no free will or free agency. And if this is true, you are entitled to your beliefs, as is everyone. If you believe in economic determinism, the solution would indeed be to give money to the poor, rather than education and opportunities. If you believe in determinism based on a variety of factors, then you would give all three, because the downtrodden would never be able to attain them on their own. In that case, your post and everything you said would be correct.

I, on the other hand, politely disagree with the idea of determinism. Here is why: for my life, I prefer to assume the philosophy that gives me the most responsibility. Because if I assume responsibility for my life, and I am wrong, no harm has been done because I was predetermined to succeed or fail whether or not I assumed that responsibility. But if I assume determinism for my own life and I turn out wrong, I will have wasted my time waiting for my destiny to arrive, when there is no such thing as destiny. That is why I believe in free agency in my own life. And, because I want to give other people the same respect that I give myself, and to retain philosophical consistency, I assume everyone has free agency. If fully admit I could be wrong, but this path is less disastrous to be wrong about.