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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
		<link>http://whatprivilege.com/you-just-need-to-love-god-better/comment-page-1/#comment-878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purtek, I have a feeling the need to blame victims is more basic to human psychology than religion. Meaning, people already have it in their minds that bad stuff must only happen to people who did something wrong; as they learn about or embrace a faith, they just incorporate that assumption.

Firebird, that&#039;s a great point. I think Job is a really complicated story that gets taught in so many ways, they can&#039;t all be right. As you point out, Job is as innocent in God&#039;s eyes as a newborn baby. But I have a feeling people take the Job story as an exception to the rule, not as a parable about the suffering of innocents and why a benevolent God would allow the devil to hurt good people. Which I *think* is the real purpose of the story.

To both of you, I&#039;ve thought about this topic since I wrote this post and concluded that it&#039;s not a particularly Christian problem. There are a lot of people who claim no religion or spirituality at all who need to believe bad things only happen to people who did something wrong. I think in fact that this idea is why people seek religion: they desperately need to believe there&#039;s a purpose to all this suckage, so much so that it&#039;s preferable to think they brought it on themselves to thinking horrible things happen indiscriminately to anybody at anytime. The fact that the religion contradicts them is something they would tend to filter out, as it doesn&#039;t suit their purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purtek, I have a feeling the need to blame victims is more basic to human psychology than religion. Meaning, people already have it in their minds that bad stuff must only happen to people who did something wrong; as they learn about or embrace a faith, they just incorporate that assumption.</p>
<p>Firebird, that&#8217;s a great point. I think Job is a really complicated story that gets taught in so many ways, they can&#8217;t all be right. As you point out, Job is as innocent in God&#8217;s eyes as a newborn baby. But I have a feeling people take the Job story as an exception to the rule, not as a parable about the suffering of innocents and why a benevolent God would allow the devil to hurt good people. Which I *think* is the real purpose of the story.</p>
<p>To both of you, I&#8217;ve thought about this topic since I wrote this post and concluded that it&#8217;s not a particularly Christian problem. There are a lot of people who claim no religion or spirituality at all who need to believe bad things only happen to people who did something wrong. I think in fact that this idea is why people seek religion: they desperately need to believe there&#8217;s a purpose to all this suckage, so much so that it&#8217;s preferable to think they brought it on themselves to thinking horrible things happen indiscriminately to anybody at anytime. The fact that the religion contradicts them is something they would tend to filter out, as it doesn&#8217;t suit their purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebird</title>
		<link>http://whatprivilege.com/you-just-need-to-love-god-better/comment-page-1/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t help thinking about the book of Job while reading this.  Job has a bunch of terrible things happen to him - as we, the readers, know, because god and the devil got together and decided to see if Job loved god for reals or because of all the Nice Stuff he had - and his &quot;friends&quot; come along and tell him if he would just confess whatever the hell he did to cause his miseries, god could stop punishing him and bless him again.

Job sticks to his guns and insists that god is in the wrong and should explain himself to Job, and although god never does explain himself, and just asserts his power as justification for anything he chooses to do, god does decide to castigate Job&#039;s friends for the fools they are.

Of all possible lessons the book of Job could be said to be teaching, the idea that suffering cannot be explained by fault of the sufferer is central and unavoidable.  And yet, although Christians invariably point to Job when they must discuss suffering (the problem of pain, as C.S. Lewis alliterates it), the all too common attitude you describe is never called to account, never realized for the gross torture it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t help thinking about the book of Job while reading this.  Job has a bunch of terrible things happen to him &#8211; as we, the readers, know, because god and the devil got together and decided to see if Job loved god for reals or because of all the Nice Stuff he had &#8211; and his &#8220;friends&#8221; come along and tell him if he would just confess whatever the hell he did to cause his miseries, god could stop punishing him and bless him again.</p>
<p>Job sticks to his guns and insists that god is in the wrong and should explain himself to Job, and although god never does explain himself, and just asserts his power as justification for anything he chooses to do, god does decide to castigate Job&#8217;s friends for the fools they are.</p>
<p>Of all possible lessons the book of Job could be said to be teaching, the idea that suffering cannot be explained by fault of the sufferer is central and unavoidable.  And yet, although Christians invariably point to Job when they must discuss suffering (the problem of pain, as C.S. Lewis alliterates it), the all too common attitude you describe is never called to account, never realized for the gross torture it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Purtek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purtek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true. Being also Christian, I get some of this as well. I&#039;ve been reading a good book that takes this attitude apart as exceptionally non-Christian (as you do, but with further emphasis on the question of what the purpose of suffering is if there is a benevolent God). 

It&#039;s so apparent that it&#039;s not really about the victim(s) in any of these thing, but about some psychological element for the people saying it, and yet that doesn&#039;t stop it from being exceptionally hurtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true. Being also Christian, I get some of this as well. I&#8217;ve been reading a good book that takes this attitude apart as exceptionally non-Christian (as you do, but with further emphasis on the question of what the purpose of suffering is if there is a benevolent God). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s so apparent that it&#8217;s not really about the victim(s) in any of these thing, but about some psychological element for the people saying it, and yet that doesn&#8217;t stop it from being exceptionally hurtful.</p>
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